[Adta] table at Psychotherapy Networker Symposium
Elizabeth Hagerman
ehhagerman at starpower.net
Wed Feb 7 10:43:45 EST 2007
The ADTA has a table in the Exhibition Hall at the Psychotherapy
Networker Symposium in Washington DC march 15-17. If you are planning
to come to the symposium, and would like to help staff the table
sometime on Thurs, Fri., or Sat., please go to the on-line sign-up
sheet. First go to google.com/accounts and sign in with this e-mail:(I
made it for this purpose, it's no one's personal e-mail):
dansalot at gmail.com and this password: mchace Then click on adtatable,
and the spreadsheet sign up sheet should materialize. If you have any
questions, email me at ehhagerman at starpower.net, or call 3012337264.
Thanks.
Liz Hagerman
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> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:43:52 -0500
> From: "skdmt2" <skdmt2 at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: [Adta] RE: Thin/Somatic Countertransference
> To: <awenner at optonline.net>, <adta at adta.org>
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> Hi Anne ,
>
> Thanks for your interesting response. Those of us who work w/ ED all the
> time know that it's all about the patient's primary relationship w/ "Ed" &
> lack of meaningful relationship w/ self-w/ food, /w/ others.
>
>
>
> It's a great opportunity to dialogue re our relationship w/ one another also
> & to be able to articulate our own feelings re our experiences in treating
> this population.
>
> I hope that this discussion will continue.
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>
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> _____
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> From: awenner at optonline.net [mailto:awenner at optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 1:32 PM
> To: skdmt2
> Subject: Re: Thin/Somatic Countertransference
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> Susan,
>
> Thank you for your generous sharing of wisdom re: your impressions of the
> function of ED as well as "his" many manifestations. I, as you, find it
> useful to think of the "relationship" to food and one's body as an aspect of
> the person's overall object relational world. Is the relationship
> gratifying leaving one feeling reasonably satisfied and secure in the
> knowledge of being able to rely upon internal cues and needs and get those
> needs met in a good-enough way? Is it based on fear and scarcity, is it
> impoverished and based on deprivation as in anorexia? Is it tantalizing yet
> unattainable yet giving one a sense of special status, staying out of and
> above the fray? (The pursuit of thinness) Is it to be unsatiabley binged
> upon and than rejected/undone as in bulimia?
>
> I often experience strong physical hunger after my sessions and have noticed
> something about many of my close colleagues (the healthy ones!) in this
> field (I've been specializing in treating ED's for almost ten years) we all
> love cooking, restaurants, we consider ourselves "foodies", love gardening
> and being creative in many other ways when we are not working with clients.
> I understand this to be not only a critical aspect of self-care - important
> for any therapist working with any population but also as maybe a particular
> response to working around so much ED and so much obsession and deprivation.
> I understand it as my own healthy response - pleasure principle if you will,
> a strong need and desire to disobey ED and an attempt to counteract so much
> deprivation.
> Take Care, Anne
>
> Anne Wennerstrand
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>> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 07:29:53 -0500
>> From: "skdmt2"
>> Subject: [Adta] RE: the movie THIN & somatic countertransference
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>> Hi Nava!
>> You said: " Hi Susan
>>
>> I watched the movie THIN, which I believe was filmed
>>
>> in your center (yes?) last year. After the film, my
>>
>> students and I felt an urge to eat and we experienced
>>
>> a feeling of starvation. As if we have/must eat
>>
>> immediately and eat a lot! It was very strange. The
>>
>> movie is difficult to watch and I wonder if this is
>>
>> something you experience and what you are making of
>>
>> it? somatic transference?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope you don't mind the question and will appreciate
>>
>> your comments
>>
>> feel free to respond through the list,
>>
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Nava Lotan "
>>
>> ................................................................
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I think you are probably experiencing somatic transference
>> & I am not
>> immune however, I believe it can be transformed into a very useful
>> therapeutic tool, if we are able to understand what is we are
>> dealing with-
>> what is getting triggered for us.
>>
>> I am including a section of a Working Paper on group therapy- see
>> below-unfortunately it is no longer available- that explores
>> this issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting isn't it! let me explain a bit I think is
>> relevant. People w/
>> ED tend to make everything about food, physical weight, size,
>> body parts
>> instead of the issues that underlie ED. I compare living w/ ED
>> to living in
>> a very restricted space in one's house & trying to keep
>> everything under
>> control in that space. Over the weekend in Central Florida,
>> there were some
>> terrible tornados & one woman was shown on TV who sought refuge
>> in her
>> bathroom. When she emerged after the tornado, she found
>> everything intact in
>> her bedroom but when she opened the door to the rest of her
>> house, it was a
>> shambles- That's kind if what happens w/ an ED- The ED person,
>> in an attempt
>> to deal w/ life, tries to use only ED behaviors as coping
>> mechanisms because
>> they are so scared or overwhelmed re their life.
>>
>> In their development & history there may be lots of control,
>> trauma, perhaps
>> some genetic factors also- a predisposition to an ED, they feel so
>> overwhelmed & often frightened dealing w/ life through a more "normal"
>> route, that they detour & try to restrict their feelings &
>> thoughts, pick on
>> themselves, put themselves down, run from themselves to try to
>> find relief,
>> to find ways to purge their feelings, stuff them inside & try to
>> protectthem, etc. Eventually, this turns into what is called an
>> eating disorder.
>>
>>
>>
>> I try to refocus the women I see on the underlying issues &
>> also to
>> separate food from feelings, physical weight & hunger from
>> emotional weight
>> & hunger, etc. I let the nutritionists & medical staff deal with those
>> issues & try to understand & help them understand what they are
>> experiencing, express it, & connect the meaning of these
>> feelings, patterns,
>> events, etc, in their lives, as well as to challenge them to
>> take risks to
>> live more expansively.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, may people w/ ED have OCD or very ritualistic behaviors &
>> that is seen
>> of course in their whole movement repertoire, as well as in the
>> dining room,
>> where food rituals are not allowed. Cognitive thinking is often
>> so black &
>> white- so linear- it's like swimming in a pool- up one lane &
>> back, rather
>> then including abstract thinking- being in the gray areas- of
>> course, d/mt
>> is grey.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, FYI As you noticed, I'm sure, barely any therapy was shown
>> in THIN,
>> although it was filmed. It just wasn't what the director chose
>> to show.
>>
>>
>>
>> I see that I've gotten somewhat off track from your specific
>> question but
>> realize that what was triggered for me was one of the most impt
>> issues I
>> believe in treating ED & that is understanding & as d/mts, that means
>> getting involved & working to understand & balance our own personal
>> responses- physical, emotional-cognitive, often as cues.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps others who work w/ ED will also respond to these issues
>> raised by
>> Nava & her students. Patrizia, you also may have some things to
>> add ( see
>> below)
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for writing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> Susan kleinman, MA ADTR, NCC
>>
>> ................................................................
>>
>> Reference info: Kleinman, S., Gerstein, F., Botwin, S., Developing
>> Connections in Group Therapy. The Renfrew Center Working Papers,
>> Volume 2,
>> Fall., 2004
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From Developing Connections in Group Therapy
>>
>> Fran Gerstein, PhD, Shari Botwin, LCSW, Susan Kleinman, MA,
>> ADTR, NCC
>>
>>
>>
>> "... Managing Countertransference
>>
>> Eating disorder therapists are prone to certain types of
>> countertransferential, often visceral in nature. One notable somatic
>> reaction to dealing with anorexic patients is that therapists
>> can find
>> themselves hungry and fantasizing about food during a group
>> session. It is
>> as if the therapist picks up the sense of "hunger" and
>> deprivation the
>> patient is attempting to ward off. Because Renfrew therapists
>> deal with so
>> many patients with eating disorders, they are prone to very
>> specific types
>> of somatic countertransferential feelings. Pallaro, in
>> explaining somatic
>> countertransference (1995), says that the attention between her own
>> cognitive functions and unconscious bodily-felt responses,
>> allows her to
>> make sense of her own affective experience and to contain it, so
>> that she
>> can offer it metabolized to the [patient] for her own process of
>> reintegration of her own split-off affects" (p. 146). Such exquisite
>> attunement to one's self can permit therapists to sift through
>> and discard
>> feelings that indicate that they may be over identifying with
>> patients,while still allowing for the possibility that they may
>> also be tapping into
>> the patient's issues in an embodied, less conscious, fashion.
>>
>> One notable somatic reaction to dealing with anorexic patients
>> is that
>> therapists can find themselves hungry and fantasizing about food
>> during a
>> group session. Hall (1995) noted that therapists working with eating
>> disorders often brought food to eat before the session. In being
>> sensitiveand responsive to feelings that are present, a
>> therapist may also feel
>> helpless when a group member's symptoms worsen, as if the task
>> of helping
>> the patients overcome their eating disorder is hopeless.
>>
>> Therapists may also go through a phase of disenchantment, which
>> may, in
>> fact, be a projective identification having to do with a group
>> member'sfeelings of frustration, disappointment or hopelessness.
>> At times like this
>> it is useful to assume that the therapist is functioning as a
>> "container"for the group's feelings, and if the group is far
>> enough along in the
>> recovery process , it may be possible to acknowledge our own
>> sense of
>> helplessness, as therapists. In so doing, we may create a window of
>> opportunity that may open other feelings previously not
>> recognized, such as
>> fear, frustration or impatience.
>>
>> In being sensitive and responsive to feelings that are expressed
>> directly as
>> well as coded in their nonverbal expression, we may also
>> encounter anger, a
>> feeling that is particularly difficult feeling for patients with
>> eatingdisorders to experience and express. Consequently, if we
>> find ourselves
>> experiencing anger, it is possible that we might be absorbing
>> the group's
>> anger into our own bodies, and openly acknowledging this, allows
>> it to be
>> explored ( Pallaro, 1995). Our openness as therapists to listen
>> to our own
>> bodies, and to glean understanding of the situation before us, also
>> demonstrates the importance for patients to reclaim difficult feeling
>> heretofore disowned. Likewise, therapists are encouraged to
>> utilize either
>> individual or group supervision so as to make sure that their
>> countertransference doesn't interfere with their objectivity."
>>
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