[Adta] Re: Adta Digest, Vol 24, Issue 19
Dianne Dulicai
dianne.dulicai at cox.net
Sun Oct 7 15:39:55 EDT 2007
Hello all,
I suggest that it is a bit harsh to suggest that those of us who
understand neurological implications of our work don't understand that dance
is our foundation. It is possible to do both the understanding of history
and new clinical insights. Dianne Dulicai
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> 1. Don't forget to Dance! (Jenn Frank)
> 2. Re: Response to Heather, Lora re: neuroscience (Sharon Chaiklin)
> 3. Re: Response to Heather, Lora re: neuroscience (Heather Hill)
> 4. Suggestion for a research study (Moving The Self)
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> Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:29:51 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jenn Frank <frankdance2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Adta] Don't forget to Dance!
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> Dani,
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> Thank you for this important fact, and the beautiful way that you
> expressed it in words!
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> "Just as our clients have to learn that healing ultimately rests within
> themselves, dance/movement therapists must remember that it is the
> healing inherent in dance that makes our profession unique. This is
> especially true now that body psychotherapies have become so popular.
> While they may understand the importance of mirror neurons and the
> relationship between the plasticity of the brain and attachment issues,
> body psychotherapies do not address the creative and aesthetic
> processes that characterize dance/movement therapy. Nor do they look at
> the
> elements of dance movement, the relationship between dance and music,
> or the powerhouse of skills that dancers as performers, teachers, and
> choreographers bring to the facilitative process."
>
> Like I said, we are already ahead of them. But I think we have to bring
> the Explicit (verbal conscious and logical) aspects of our inherently
> Implicit (unconscious sensorial, non-verbal) work to other professions, so
> that they can understand. We need to use our creativity to speak their
> languge, withough losing the non-verbal quality of what we do.
>
> Donna,
>
> Thank you for the suggestion to the editor. I was trying to figure out
> who to contact about this. I'll keep my eyes open.
>
> Warmly,
> Jenn
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> Jennifer Frank Tantia, MS, ADTR, LCAT
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> From: "Sharon Chaiklin" <SharonChaiklin at rcn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Adta] Response to Heather, Lora re: neuroscience
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> Bravo Dani! I appreciate your response and historical recall ......yes
> it is is the dance. The sad part is that the dance is so poorly
> respected and misunderstood.
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> Sharon
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> From: "Heather Hill" <heatherhill at hotkey.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Adta] Response to Heather, Lora re: neuroscience
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> Dani - thank you for placing this discussion in its historical context
> which I found really helpful. I guess my reason for introducting
> "ideological hegemony" was also to call on a larger context, in order to
> make meaning of our particular and individual struggles in our workplaces
> and in dance therapy generally.
>
> Thank you for your inspiring words and a strong statement about the heart
> of the work of dance therapy.
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> Best wishes,
> Heather
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> Jenn and Lora, (and everyone else too),
>
> Much of the frustration that you express is just how I felt in 1974 when
> I read an article in Psychology Today extolling the virtues of
> Neurolinguistic Programming and its brilliant use of mirroring to build
> relationships. I had been in the first class at Hunter (1971-1973) and did
> not understand why the writers had failed to say anything about the mother
> ship, dance/movement therapy. I mention this to show that our field's
> drive for acknowledgment and acceptance by others is not new, and that
> this (the mirror neuron discovery) is not the first time we have been
> upstaged. Sadly, DMT is the only profession I know of where people new to
> the field continue to think of themselves as pioneers. (How many of your
> remember Elissa White's Chace lecture, Always a Showcase, Never a Star?)
>
> I agree. This is a vital discussion; however we must put it in context.
> The struggle to get people to understand and accept dance/movement therapy
> (dmt) as a bona fide method of assessment and intervention is, as I said,
> not new. Initially located in recreation departments, having only a few
> mainstream supporters in psychiatry and psychology (e.g. Zwerling, Geller,
> Davis), and being a profession dominated by women, dance/movement therapy
> got stuck in the basement--literally at Overbrook Psychiatric in New
> Jersey. Climbing out of that basement has not been easy. I remember, for
> example, the days in the late 70's early 80's, when I earned $2.34 an hour
> bringing dmt to elders at Senior Centers in Rochester, NY, and that was
> with a master's degree in dance/movement therapy from Hunter and three
> years of dmt work experience in and around NYC.
>
> Penny Bernstein tried to help us out of the basement by writing books
> that highlighted the many theoretical frameworks that dmt could hold. She
> and others saw this as a route to legitimization. If we could show how
> dance/movement therapy literally embodied a spectrum of psychological
> constructs, people would recognize the field. That backfired. Instead of
> becoming more accepted, dance/movement therapists began thinking about
> themselves as vehicles for embodying the psychological constructs to which
> they adhered. Eager to please and to have a bigger tent, we took another
> step in 1984 that, in my view, diffused the pioneers' belief in the
> healing inherent in dance. We changed our name from dance therapy to
> dance/movement therapy. Add the quest for research to the search for
> legitimization, and we find the dance in dance/movement therapy sitting
> back stage, appearing only in a few key articles.
>
> Now we are jumping on the neuroscience band wagon--me included. I, too,
> read Damasio's books and became, Jenn, what you named a "neuro-phile." I
> went to Alan Schore seminars and read his articles. I was on an old path.
> As long ago as the late 70's I looked to other mainstream professionals
> for support, e.g. Barrett-Lennard a counselor who introduced the word
> resonance into the counseling literature in the early 70's.
> Barertt-Lenard's brilliant article on the cyclical stages of empathy, an
> article that captures the essence of our field's cornerstone--movement
> empathy--made me feel validated just as mirror neurons are doing for us
> today. Eventually, though, I realized that I had to look at the healing
> inherent in dance itself. Support from other disciplines, whether
> psychology, counseling, or neuroscience can buttress our work, but we
> still have to look at the dance itself.
>
> Just as our clients have to learn that healing ultimately rests within
> themselves, dance/movement therapists must remember that it is the healing
> inherent in dance that makes our profession unique. This is especially
> true now that body psychotherapies have become so popular. While they may
> understand the importance of mirror neurons and the relationship between
> the plasticity of the brain and attachment issues, body psychotherapies do
> not address the creative and aesthetic processes that characterize
> dance/movement therapy. Nor do they look at the elements of dance
> movement, the relationship between dance and music, or the powerhouse of
> skills that dancers as performers, teachers, and choreographers bring to
> the facilitative process.
>
> Dani Fraenkel
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> Jenn Frank wrote:
>
> What a great discussion we've got going here!
>
> .....
>
> I have become quite a neuro-phile as of late, and I've been wondering,
> like Heather, why we feel the need to somehow prove something to the
> neuroscientists. (If that is what you meant, Heather?). We do have so
> much more to offer in research styles, etc...do we have to jump on the
> bandwagon?
>
> Well...It couldn't hurt, could it?
>
> It makes me furious that some guy (okay, a really smart guy whose
> worked on this stuff for decades) comes up with the word, "mirror neurons"
> when Dance Therapists have been using the term, "mirroring" for fifty
> years!!! Something is wrong with this picture.
>
> I think we owe ourselves, as progressive, intelligent and creative
> professionals, the opportunity to find a way into this world to make
> ourselves known; not because we already know this stuff, but because we
> can add to it!
>
> Neuroscience is still studying the movement within the brain
> (attachment, as it is processed inside the brain, etc...). We're already
> using the clinical application of movement of the body.
>
> Proprioceptive memory is our greatest asset as dance therapists, and
> they haven't even touched it yet! Let's find a way to work together! I
> think that we'll all benefit from it...
>
> OKay. Off my soapbox. Anyone else?
>
> ~Jenn
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> From: Moving The Self <MovingTheSelf at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Adta] Suggestion for a research study
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> A study such as the one described in the abstract below could put us
> up on any maps . . . Check it out at:
>
> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a782141254?
> jumptype=alert&alerttype=new_issue_alert,email
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> THE OUTCOME OF SHORT-TERM PSYCHODYNAMIC ART THERAPY COMPARED TO SHORT-
> TERM PSYCHODYNAMIC VERBAL THERAPY FOR DEPRESSED WOMEN
>
> Authors: Karin Egberg Thyme a; Eva C. Sundin b; Gustaf Stahlberg
> c; Birgit Lindstrom c; Hanna Eklof d; Britt Wiberg e
> Affiliations:
> a Department of Psychiatry, Umea University, SE-901 87 Umea, Sweden
>
> b Division of Psychology, Nottingham Trent University, Nottingham NG1
> 4BU, England
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> c Department of Clinical Science, Umea University, SE-901 87 Umea,
> Sweden
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> d Department of Educational Measurement, Umea University, SE-901 87
> Umea, Sweden
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> e Department of Psychology, Umea University, SE-901 87 Umea, Sweden
> DOI: 10.1080/02668730701535610
> Publication Frequency: 4 issues per year
> Published in:  Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy, Volume 21, Issue 3
> September 2007 , pages 250 - 264
> Subjects: Counselling - Social Work; Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy;
> Psychological Disorders - Adult; Psychotherapy;
>
> Abstract
> The primary aim of this randomized controlled clinical trial was to
> compare the outcome from two types of short-term psychodynamic
> psychotherapy. The participants were thirty-nine women with
> depression. Half of the participants (n = 18) received art
> psychotherapy and the other half received verbal psychotherapy (n =
> 21). Data was collected before and after psychotherapy, and at a 3-
> month follow-up using self-rating scales and interviewer-based
> ratings. Results showed that art and verbal psychotherapies were
> comparable, and at follow-up, the average participant in both groups
> had few depressive symptoms and stress-related symptoms. The
> conclusion was that short-term psychodynamic art therapy could be a
> valuable treatment for depressed women.
>
>
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> Envision switching art therapy with dmt!
>
> Patrizia Pallaro
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